Focusing with a fast 50mm

Discussion in 'Photography 101' started by Red_Helicopter, Apr 8, 2009.

  1. Hey everyone.

    I prefer to focus manually. Usually, to make sure my focus is sharp, I zoom all the way in, get it sharp, then frame.

    And then I bought a 50mm.

    Portraits are fine... can always get the eyes sharp. But for dark rides and whatnot, when I can't fill the frame, and with the lens wide open... I'm having problems focusing on subject. I have 20/20 vision, but I guess I used the zoom lens as a crutch for too long.

    Any tips or tricks on how to get accurate with a narrow depth of field?

    I'm trying to use my 50mm more, but lately it's been staying in the bag because of this problem I'm having focusing. Any help is greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!
     
  2. Coo1eo

    Coo1eo Member

    Just picked up a 50mm 1.8 myself. I'll let you know what I come across.
     
  3. ddindy

    ddindy Member Staff Member

    I tried that, too. ; Then I spoke to a Nikon rep who told me that the focus varies with the focal length on my zooms. ; This is apparently a "feature" of some, but not all, zoom lenses.

    To help focusing your 50mm, the thing that comes to mind is a viewfinder magnifier. ; Do a Google search to see what comes up for your camera.

    Another option is a different focusing screen, such as the ones from Katz Eye optics. ; I don't have one, but there are a couple of threads here that discuss them.
     
  4. Roger

    Roger Member Staff Member

    Parfocal lenses can do that, most zooms can't. ; It's more noticable (that it can't) with the larger aperture lenses since when you zoom in, you're going to get a smaller aperture, which has a larger depth of field. ; Also, you'd get a wider depth of field with the consumer lenses....

    anyway

    Your biggest problem is going to be that on a dark ride, not only are you using a very small viewfinder (small sensor to begin with) you also have your focus distance changing as your ride is usually moving (depending on the attraction), so you have to compete with the movement of the ride v. changing the focus.

    I'll second what ddindy mentioned: look for a viewfinder magnifier for your Pentax. ; It should replace your eyepiece and then zoom in on the center of the viewfinder. ; Nikon's can flip up out of the way to get the whole frame when you need it.
     
  5. zackiedawg

    zackiedawg Member Staff Member

    The viewfinder magnifier will help. ; Ironically, I have the Pentax viewfinder magnifier on my Sony A300 (perfect fit!) which definitely helps. ; I want to say it's something like Pentax ME-53.

    On the other hand, maybe you ought to consider, at least for dark rides and those types of situations, to use autofocus. ; Though you like MF, the AF will often give you a better chance in such an environment to get focus quickly while moving, and also to refocus or track focus if necessary while on a moving ride. ; If you use spot or center focus, you should be fine. ; Focus has not been an issue for me with my 50mm F1.7 on dark rides or low light situations while moving...I use spot auto focus wide open at F1.7 and it's been dead-on every time. ; Just an idea.
     
  6. Grumpwurst

    Grumpwurst Member Staff Member

    Can you explain please? ; I'm not sure what part on the camera you are referring to as being able to flip out of the way to get the whole frame. ; Are you referring to the rubber piece that slides over the viewfinder?
     
  7. Roger

    Roger Member Staff Member

  8. Grumpwurst

    Grumpwurst Member Staff Member

    I see (no pun intended), you were referring to the Nikon equivalent add-on for magnifying the viewfinder. ; At this point, I have no desire to take on manual focus except in exceptional situations (I sometimes manual focus when setting up for fireworks).

    My old film dSLR had a different viewfinder that made it real easy to manual focus where you had the two half circles that you aligned up to help tell you when you were in focus
     
  9. Roger

    Roger Member Staff Member

    That is what LV is for. ; It lives for it. ; Since you can zoom in during LV.
     
  10. Grumpwurst

    Grumpwurst Member Staff Member

    I must embarrassingly admit that I haven't figured out LV yet
     
  11. Roger

    Roger Member Staff Member

    Practice! ; It's actually easier with Nikon's method (turn the dial); Canon's first generation on the Edsel was a menu option, but you could program it to the thumb wheel center button.
     
  12. mPower

    mPower Member

    Mirror lock up actually works better for fireworks. No mirror induced shake.
     
  13. Roger

    Roger Member Staff Member

    I was using LV to focus for fireworks, since you can zoom in on the image without actually zooming the lens.
     
  14. mSummers

    mSummers Member

    As a couple of the guys have already mentioned, manual focus is difficult because of the movement of the ride. ; I would suggest either using the autofocus or taking the time to practice shooting moving objects while manually focusing. ; Shooting sports or marching band competitions are great practice for that. ; Personally, after trying to shoot the dark rides with a 50mm f1.2 manual focus lens on my last trip and having a difficult time with it, I am seriously considering getting the new 50 f1.4 before the next trip. ;

    I had one of those on my D2Xs and found it to be slightly off. ; When the AF system said the object was in focus, the screen said it was slightly front focused. ; After some testing, I found the AF system to be much more accurate than the Katz Eye.
     
  15. Roger

    Roger Member Staff Member

    Reminds me of the Zeiss 50/1.4 last summer. ; While the in viewfinder confirmation and digital rangefinder on the display is nice, it's too hard to MF on some rides...
     
  16. Weird, works 100% of the time for me. Just checked some exposures that I remember specifically doing this... eyes are sharp as can be. But then, I'm never zooming to 250mm to focus, then back out to 18mm to frame.

    Re: Pentax ME-53... Awesome. Perfect. Beautiful. Buying when BH comes back from Passover.

    Re: Autofocus... I guess I should try this. I know my kit lens had serious issues autofocusing in dark rides... haven't tried it with my new lenses.

    I guess I love shooting in M and manually focusing because it reminds me of my K1000 (I miss the little needle)... but the K1000 had the microprism screen. After-market screens look neat, but I'm not ready to drop $100+ on this body. Maybe if Pentax ever comes out with a full frame body...

    Thanks for everyone's help! Will follow up with results.
     

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